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tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. more than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats should extend tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less later that is an idea that a lot of republicans are reki resisting. what kind of push back are you getting? >> i think some have more questions about it. i don't believe in raising tax rates on anybody. by slowing down growth cuts revenue. i think the president need to come to the table with real entitlement reform. if we agree that taxes should pt go up on 98% of the people? shoundn't we set that aside now? i think we'll win the argument on the other areas. putting people at risk. is something that we shouldn't do. >> speaker boehner sa
tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. more than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats should extend tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less later that is...
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top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to that? >> yes, if it is for tax reform. if we were to lower rates. for example, i think you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and get more revenue and get rid of some deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. that's how you get the my to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth if we send more money to washington. we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position you just spelled out
top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to...
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his plan taxes $1.6 trillion of taxes. higher tax rates on people, families making more than $250,000 as well as closing loopholes, limiting deductions, raising the estate tax rate and increasing the taxes on capital gains and dividends and the plan spends nearly $200 billion. another stimulus package of 50 billion. an extension of unemployment benefits around 30 billion and an extension of the payroll tax cut estimated at about $114 billion. but the geithner plan didn't cut spending. in run for that, the president offers $400 billion of cuts and toe, john boehner basically said go fish. >> was not a serious proposal. and so, right now, we're almost nowhere. >> just when we needed someone to not say hey, mom, he was nasty. so i can be, too. boehner, like geithner, leapt to the extreme. republicans, the best response to a nonstarter could be to put a real thoughtful compromise deal on the table. an alternative and as for mr. geithner, he wasn't alone either. remember, mr. president, the promise you made during the campaign?
his plan taxes $1.6 trillion of taxes. higher tax rates on people, families making more than $250,000 as well as closing loopholes, limiting deductions, raising the estate tax rate and increasing the taxes on capital gains and dividends and the plan spends nearly $200 billion. another stimulus package of 50 billion. an extension of unemployment benefits around 30 billion and an extension of the payroll tax cut estimated at about $114 billion. but the geithner plan didn't cut spending. in run...
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you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on the economic fortunes of this country. and if you take the vast majority of small businessmen who will be hit with an increased tax rate, you're going to markedly decrease the job creation and capital formation in this country. >> let me ask you another question, one of the things we talked about on both sides, i think it's fair to say is the lack of details. and second geithner was out trying to defend some of the details in his plan over the weekend. this letter also has very few details. i'm curious to know exactly what loopholes, what deductions would you kill
you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on...
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fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they want to do it differently -- >> whose turn is this? where are we in this? >> the ball really is with them now. again, they're in a hard place. they're having a tough time trying to figure out what they can do. that's understandable. this is very difficult for them. we might need more time to figure out where -- where they go next. >> we don't have a lot of time. >> you can't wait very long. what we are trying to do is be as clear as we can with what is essential to us and what we like to have and what we think is good for the american economy
fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they...
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we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity. without major spending cuts and entitlement reform, we will continue running huge deficits regardless of what we do on the revenue side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so far, he hasn't put medicare and social security, saving and preserving those entitlement programs on the table. i believe they have to be, because if we're going to preserve those for future generations, we need to do something meaningful on those. the problem is, erin, if we just do cuts in temporary spending, those can easily be undone. we know there's been a lot of promises made in exchange for tax increases and it never comes to pass when it comes to spending cuts. >> there was a "washington post" poll which said raise taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year, 60% support it. wh
we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity. without major spending cuts and entitlement reform, we will continue running huge deficits regardless of what we do on the revenue side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so far, he...
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i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we were to lower rates, for example, you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and actually get more revenue and get rid of some more deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. and that is how you get the economy to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth. if we send more money to washington, we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position, you just spelled out in significant detail, there is not going to be a deal, you know, between now and december 3
i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we...
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taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use uf -- and that means health care for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. >> we're out of time, guys. nice to talk to you. i appreciate it. >>> next, violent clashes along the turkey, syria border and a new heir to the british throne is on the way. our piers morgan wi
taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use uf -- and that means health care for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask...
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to give a balanced plan, republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don't know the difference between talking about stuff and putting it on the table. it seems like senator cornyn sees some difference there. i don't really get it. the hole is not as big as he says it is. we're not going into the hole with a trillion dollar deficit every year, because we're going to grow every year and collect more revenue. and we also see some of these stimulus programs narrowing down a little bit so the hole's not that big and there seems to be more common ground that the senator admits. >> we hope you're right. >> in previous negotiations, it's been put forward but everyone's got to push forward. >> it's easy to race taxes on one group, at of people agree with that, but the bottom line is those entitlement cuts are going to be a lot mor
to give a balanced plan, republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don't know the difference between talking about stuff and putting it on the table. it seems like senator cornyn sees some difference there. i don't...
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should they raise the capital gains tax, and taxes on dividends, as well? or some combination of all of the above? right now they don't even seem to agree on the amount of money to be raised in revenue. let's listen to what senate majority leader harry reid had to say to explain the democrats' position on this. >> protect middle-class families from the fiscal cliff that they're facing by freezing the tax rates for the first $250,000 all americans' income and letting the rates go up to the same level they were during the clinton administration. republicans know where we stand. we've said it. we've said it. we've said it so many times, the president's said the same thing. >> and so republicans do know where democrats stand. this is certainly this idea of raising taxes on the wealthy is something that the president ran on in the last campaign. but republicans feel like there's been way too much focus on this whole tax side of things, and not nearly enough focus on spending cuts. which are also needed. let's listen to what house speaker john boehner had to say
should they raise the capital gains tax, and taxes on dividends, as well? or some combination of all of the above? right now they don't even seem to agree on the amount of money to be raised in revenue. let's listen to what senate majority leader harry reid had to say to explain the democrats' position on this. >> protect middle-class families from the fiscal cliff that they're facing by freezing the tax rates for the first $250,000 all americans' income and letting the rates go up to the...
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we're going to tax this. and then they want at midnight to renegotiate everything, make every decision all at once. once in awhile having a crisis. but it looks like it's become regularly built-into the system and that's just no way to do this. we've got to fix that. >> ken rogoff, professor economics and policy at harvard. dark, cambridge, forgive me. >> great to see you this morning. >>> should the united states provide arms to syrian rebels trying to oust the assad regime? secretary of state hillary clinton says there's no decision yet but the question is evaluated every day, depending on the changing situation in syria. meanwhile, reports that the internet in syria has been cut off. it could be the latest move by the embattled regime against rebel forces which have successfully used the internet to keep the outside world informed of the uprising. >> settlement reportedly has been reached between dominique strauss-kahn and the new york city hotel maid who sued him alleging sexual assault. details of the ag
we're going to tax this. and then they want at midnight to renegotiate everything, make every decision all at once. once in awhile having a crisis. but it looks like it's become regularly built-into the system and that's just no way to do this. we've got to fix that. >> ken rogoff, professor economics and policy at harvard. dark, cambridge, forgive me. >> great to see you this morning. >>> should the united states provide arms to syrian rebels trying to oust the assad...
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of tax avoidance. but there's no question in times of austerity -- tomorrow we'll find out what taxes in the uk are going to go up -- that this sort of finagling of the finances is most definitely not on. >> i suppose you could call it creative bean counters behind all of that. you could if you wanted to be silly. britain has a bit of a big tax gap problem overall, right? >> it does. and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit targets for austerity will have to continue. we expect higher taxes on the rich tomorrow, cuts in public spending, and in this environment the multinationals like google, amazon, starbucks, are very firmly in the firing line. after all what better than to attack big corporate america. and they're being told, smell the coffee. i can play that game, too, michael. >> wake up and smell the coffee. always good to see you, mr. quest. always making it simple for us. richard quest in london. probably didn't pay for that coffee. >>> over
of tax avoidance. but there's no question in times of austerity -- tomorrow we'll find out what taxes in the uk are going to go up -- that this sort of finagling of the finances is most definitely not on. >> i suppose you could call it creative bean counters behind all of that. you could if you wanted to be silly. britain has a bit of a big tax gap problem overall, right? >> it does. and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier, and you probably guessed it will take a little more than 75 cents to get this treat. prices range from $12, okay, possibly reasonable, to $500, a little less so. >>> well, bankruptcy judge has officially given hostess the go ahead to pay out bonuses to its senior executive. the company is liquidating almost 20,000 people losing their jobs. the executives are getting bonuses. how does that -- i'm not good at math, but how does that work? >> it doesn't quite seem fair, does it? but that's exactly what one new york court has sort of ruled on and the bonuses range from about $7,500 to $130,000 and it's only
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier,...
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they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're talking about the importance to business tax rates. one guy who presumably knows something about business is the goldman sachs ceo. he met with president obama yesterday. then he went to talk with wolf blitzer who asked if he would support the president's plan of bringing the rates back up on the wealthiest americans. let's listen. >> if that's what it took to make the math work i wouldn't preclude that if the numbers drive that way. >> he says maybe a tax rate increase should be part of a deal. can't it be part of a deal? not the whole de
they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're...
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we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perc
we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely....
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republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> reporter: oftentimes this kind of public toing and froing masks active behind the scenes negotiations. the speaker insists not this time. >> is this the necessary public posturing that needs to go onto get an end game? or is there serious stalemate right now? >> no. there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this for difficult. >> reporter: boehner argues he took a political risk offering after the election to raise revenue other than tax rates. and the white house has offered little in return. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal. and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts. and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it's -- was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> reporter: gop sources tell cnn what irked them most wasn
republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> reporter: oftentimes this kind of public toing and froing masks active behind the scenes negotiations. the speaker insists not this time. >> is this the necessary public posturing that needs to go onto get an end game? or is there serious stalemate right now? >> no. there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this...
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he wants higher tax rates on wealthy americans. the republicans try to put some pressure on the democrats by laying out $600 billion in health savings, medicare and the like, adjust that cost of living increase for social security and other federal programs. the president's proposal puts pressure on republicans on rates. the republican proposal puts pressure on the president on entitlements and that cost of living adjustment. the question now is, do they negotiate or just posture? >> that's a good question. are you at all surprised that they're both negotiating in public with specific details of their respective plans instead of just doing this quietly behind the scenes, let their representatives go about a serious negotiation? >> there are some staff members on capitol hill who are circulating what they think will be ultimately where they have to -- as we get closer to christmas, sit down and cut out a deal. ip not surprised the republicans came forward with a public counterproposal because they thought the president was winning i
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no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care. there's more we need to do. >> we need to engage and the white house is acknowledging this. do you not go along with the president? >> yes, sometimes i disagree with the president. >> yes, that is true. >> but if we are talking about making medicare more efficient, lowering the cost of prescription drugs to medicare, that's a reform along with their other reforms. >> how about this reform, raising the eligibility for medicare from 65 to 67 over several years? >> no. >> why not? >> why not? because there are working people out there w
no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care....
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also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of elementary. what they're doing, both sides really, is doing a lot of posturing and waiting until they get close to the deadline if not go over the deadline because they feel if they go over the deadline, they're in a position to tell their hard core supporters, look, we have really got to make this deal now or that's the end. the economy goes back into recession. it's almost as if they can't strike a deal before you get to the very end, which is understandable. the problem is when you play this game, you can make a terrible mistake, and you know, they're gambling with the whole country here right
also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of...